It made writing the piece very cathartic. Not to mention how tattoos relate to paganism and Norse culture. Which is, all in all, pretty fitting. Thats what Joys remembering. Holly's parents. Seems to me that she couldve just opened the door normally and she wouldve gotten away with it, since Loki was only there to tell her about Alex. I must say, I stumbled on to your site because of Prisoners but I really like what youre doing here as a whole! This is such a fantastic analysis. That would have cinched the mystery early on. Were left with the question of, Does Loki save Keller or not? Maybe the most impressive thing to me about Prisoners is that almost everything that happens in the movie is a clue for Loki. History. With his English language debut, Villeneuve created a story layered with suspense, thrill, and excitement. Holly and her husband based their abductions off of the book. So the next best thing was to imprison him? But so many people missed this concept that Kendrick actually released a special edition of the album that was reverse chronological order. I was so impatient with all the people not talking, but it makes sense now, the priest, bound by his guilt and confession rules, Alex, most likely having been drugged from an early age on which alters your brain and personality, and God knows what else these people did to him and Bob. I always wondered why Alex was just sitting there in his RV. It could also explain that Alex could not respond until days into his captivity, finally giving him a break in this regular prescription as he regained a scrap of his ability to think. The pause on Netflix is infuriating. Excellent review, I enjoyed reading the things I understood, as well as the details I missed out on. Which really is a question for us. Its a little of everything. The address where Alex parked the RV was his old house. Makes people lose their faith.. [3] Join Facebook to connect with Holly Jones and others you may know. So while Grace may seem like a simple name, its not. So his full name only reinforces the combination of religions. Das Drehbuch schrieb Aaron Guzikowski. This is the man who saved Anna, and Anna doesnt say a word to him, despite being prompted by her mom. In their reign, there were only two known survivors, Bob Taylor and Barry. I think we see 4-5 then the father. But how the movie explores religion and puts Christianity in conversation with other religions/spiritualities is pretty incredible. Because thats exactly what these names are. Thank you! Tue 9 Jul 2013 06.45 EDT. Franklin, Joys dad, objects to Kellers treatment of Alex, but participates for a time because he feels he has no other option if he wants to get his daughter back. I am impressed by how you have dissected each and every detail down to the meaning of the characters names. This is a genius piece of movie analysis! Holly Debord; Van Havis. I love it that youre so active in the comments and engaging with readers, it encourages me (and hopefully other readers) to revisit movies with new perspectives in mind and discuss further. Debord and Van Christopher Havis were arrested in . Thank you for explaining this! It was probably a promotional piece to go with the book because it doesnt look homemade. How do we make sense of the bad in the world? He was the 28-year-old from Woodstock charged with Tori Stafford's abduction, rape and murder. Which makes sense to me regarding Jones character. The Central Mississippi Correctional Facility (CMCF) was established in 1986 and built on 171 acres in Pearl in Rankin County. Alias I think they were just going to notify her that he was found. So does. Alex and Keller will probably go to jail. He needs grace and so does Lokihe relies heavy on his ability to observe and pay attention to details. We see many crosses. about what happened to these girls and you DONT TELL US, YOUR AUNT WILL GO TO JAIL too. It references Loki killing Holly as detective David Loki. It is the key that ties the entire movie together. Hi Chris and everyone who has commented. Beyond that, the story plays out in such a way that it intentionally leaves viewers to put together key details. The disappearance of Holly Jones Holly left home at 6:00 PM while it was still daylight, but as the darkness grew, her parents, Maria Jones and George Stonehouse, became concerned. Prisoners That was still the day of Joys escape, maybe only a few hours later. But his instinct, thoroughness, and curiosity get the better of him. Which would therefore create a maze of the mind and memories. The American's boxing career came to a juddering halt in 1992 when he was sentenced to six years in prison after being convicted of rape in Indiana. Dover in his belief Alex Jones knows where the girls are. Regarding the above comments, I recall the detectives discussing the results of forensics on the body in the priests hole. The first scene shows how Keller trains his son to kill. If you are going to edit a lot, then make yourself a user and login. My question is when Loki found Keller tortureing Alex, why wasnt he taken to the police station? Hes a red herring that creates doubt about Alex. There is a scene at the end of the film when Loki saves the little girl and the culprit shoots him, injuring him, then his blood flow into his eye. Theres the world within a book shes reading that was written by her ex (Jake Gyllenhaal, funny enough). You know hes going to be taken out of the hole. If the dogs came by at all. The whole concept of a maze is that people become lost in the convolutions and complications of the structure. He had no criminal record, not even a parking ticket to his name. Holly reveals that after their son died of cancer, she and her husband began making children disappear to wage a war with God. She heads to where she is hiding Anna and plans to kill her and taunt Keller by throwing her dead body into the hole with him. Why does Alex say I waited but he never came? Its a huge part of the religionlikea cornerstone of Christian theology. Holly Road 704-461-6200 704-461-6236 . Their plight is immense and it can drive them to do unto others as has been done unto them. While Norse mythology roots in paganism and associates with the natural world. Of any filmmaker ever, hes the biggest beneficiary of audiences not caring about little infuriating logic inconsistencies. When Loki brings Taylor in, Taylor cant just explain what happened and why. The Joneses were unhinged serial killers. The other maze to be found would be that; Holly drugs her victims with a concoction that may have LSD or similarthe fbi book refers to this and she does as well, when talking to and then forcing Keller to drink. Remember, he was over at the house one time and talks with Holly. I think this movie is getting a second life on Netflix, and I just watched it. I dont think theres a definitive answer. Alex spends most nights sleeping in the RV and does not have many things. But not in terms of likeNorse vs Christianity. Barry was kept by Holly, where she renamed him Alex and told him she was his aunt. To the point where it becomes undeniable that one theme of Us is the cultural state of America. On the character names, I took Keller to be a variation of killer because he hunted, owned a handgun, and was prepared to use extreme violence to protect his family. (601) 932-2880. Let an old woman finish injection: He walked into the room after she had started the injection. I've been taking it for four or five years. But the only performance I really love is Jakes. And now Im reading your second paragraph and youre getting right into that lol. Except, Keller uses wood and his carpentry skills to imprison and torture Alex. So are such small things as duct tape over someones mouth. Some people will choose the hopeful outlook that being away from Holly means he has a chance at a decent future. Be really hard to find. As it starts to get into the idea of how properly is he executing his faith? Hes only reacting to the abduction because it reminds him of his own and he starts to copycat, reliving the nightmare of what he experienced with Holly and her husband. The girl saw him or heard him though he didnt see the girl. Federal Inmates. But isnt it also highly unlikely that Taylor managed to buy clothes which looked exactly like the items worn by the girls? But 5 years ago, he was missing. Kind of similar to the movie Zodiac. It had happened in broad daylight, in the Junction Triangle neighborhood in west Toronto, and detectives would find out later there were witnesses. Keller having Alex captive. Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. Nocturnal Animals, through cross-cutting, makes it clear theres a connection between what happens in the book and what happened in the relationship with Gyllenhaal. That unmerited favor that we cannot predict or control. After being detained, Michael Briere, 35, was charged with her murder. Even with her husband gone, Holly doesn't stop and abducts Joy Birch and Anna Dover. But sometime during Kellers torture of Alex, the dynamic changes. It is mentioned, in the scene discussing the FBI agents book in Taylors house, that Taylor was abducted as a child but escaped after three weeks. In-roads arent always necessary, as many artists will use more obvious devices. Wow, that was so helpful. And yes, I love the juxtaposition of David Lokis name. Because its complicated. Meaning its on the viewer to actively complete the few missing pieces of the puzzle. Just one question: how come the parents recognised their daughters clothes at the police station but didnt realise that they were not the ones the girls wore when they disappeared? I can see him being pretty off-grid. But her husband was more complicated. This, to me is where the whistle provides significant symbolism. Not sure how much I buy into it, but its an example. Great analysis!! And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. Someone who seems like the kidnapper but isnt the killer broke into both our homes and took our kids clothes. Especially after Loki pretty much blew off Graces report about someone coming into their house. He needs someone like Loki to be there at the right place and time! It makes the case about the impact of trauma and that Alex just cant put words to what hes experienced. These repeating elements, and a few others, add up. I thought it was. Another thing is the significance of showing the prepper mindset and taking everything in his own hand and his general lack of trust in higher authorities including police and perhaps even more broadly God, and how that changed when he was in the most helpless situation in what he prepared nothing for, and yet found that red whistle which will save his life. This would explain why Alex was not able to drive the van. But the more you dig into Prisoners it eventually becomes clear as day that the entire movie is this layered exploration of various types of prisons: physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. People cant accept freedom, they cant accept loss. I think theres maybe also more to be found in how Keller is a doomsday prepper and the way that relates to the idea of judgement day, but I havent watched the movie with that in mind yet. Prisoners. I am from a complex family, nothing like what the film portrays but still some issues and I thank my last lucky star, Holly Jones By that, I mean Alex has headed towards introversion. Into the frame comes the barrel of a shotgun. They are thinking about him, his lost life, and the lives of all the kids (two right down the street) that he devastated. Like his sister, Jones has studied Chinese as well. Especially with Christopher Nolan movies. What happens next Holly eventually describes as, Making children disappear is the war we wage with God. This kind of internal instructional clue is something that didnt really exist until the 20th century and the rise of modernism and post-modernism. 100 Belmont-Mt. If that was the case, Alexs They didnt cry until I left them wouldnt be meaningful or even logical. Moreover, The two victims of the kidnappings, Alex and Bob, are both questioned about the location of the girls. It would add some nuance to Dovers backstory. A forensic inspection of the cloths however, reveals that the blood belonged to a pig, and then Joy suddenly wakes up. Id need to double check that but the movie is off streaming. Alex, terrified, drives away from the home. 303 East Church Street Post Office Box 69 919-894-3616 919-894-2091 . Will Franklin and his wife have to testify against Keller for amnesty, because they were part of Alexs torture too. The first kid they ever took was Alex in 1987, who was actually Barry Milland. But sometimes, by shear grace, all the good and bad complications of what people do and think come together to form a hope-filled outcome. How do we have faith in the face of bad events? Holly Jones. Whatever segment of their brain that allowed them to not think about his disappearance their entire living day cannot ever be altered or returned. Its just too confusing and I skipped some of the violent parts. Yell from a distance to freeze: So you can say you said it. Cant wait to show this movie (and analysis) to my wife! This is the best analysis I have read. Absorbing film, but the one thing that bothers me is that the whole film rides on Alex not talking, and I dont buy it. I dont know where his faith lie, but it was grace that got him through. In this way, the movie itself becomes a bit of a prison, a kind of labyrinth we can lose ourselves in. Weve already discussed the importance of trees in pagan religions. Why? What ending do we choose? His real parents are the prisoners. And completely forgot about the David first name. Also loved seeing ppl comment on this masterpiece of a movie from so long ago. LONG VERSION: Holly and her husband were religious zealots until their young son died of cancer. This is part of the maze-like construction of Prisoners. Hey Bianca! Hi Chris,what a great review. That really ties it all together, doesnt it? Splashing pigs blood on childrens clothes he then locks in boxes with snakes. Why couldnt Loki identify the dead body as that of Hollys husband? moment. Communication with everyday people would be like communicating with an alien. You start the movie in a place of ignorance but end with a sense of superiority in understanding the who, what, when, how, and why. Thats Bob Taylor, one of the many children Holly and her husband had abducted. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Fax (601) 932-9077. You know, a room thats underground. The body had been decomposing for a number of years. The characters are great. Goals Holly Jones is the main antagonist of the 2013 thriller film Prisoners. Not what was actually going on. Lets get some answers. Take revenge on God for killing her son by kidnapping other people's children, Kang the Conqueror (Marvel Cinematic Universe). Alex, nostalgic about his own childhood, tries to play with the girls in the RV. Duct tape: I think were supposed to accept it lol. What will it do to their friendship? Near the end of the movie, Holly Jones is explaining that Alex was the first boy they took after their son died, and that his name hadnt been Alex that it had been Jimmy. Look Up An Inmate . 17:11), 4. Welcome to the colossal explanation of Prisoners. Yeah, I had the same sense of spirituality. I wonder if perhaps he was strangled by a snake for a time, causing a lack of oxygen in his brain, which could also add to the severe mental damage he displays. I get thinking Alex not talking is weird/problematic. Door handle: Loki checks handles a couple times. Seem to climb to make headway and then slide down again but eventually someone wins the game each time played unless game abandoned. But Anna still clings to her whistlea symbol of her fathers protection because I believe that he is still the hero in her life. Because Holly cant steal children easily on her own, fewer children go missing. Blessings. Reading what you wrote got me thinking if there is another layer to the way the trees relate to Kellers profession as a carpenter. But I can see that the parents were in so much shock that they wouldnt remember what the girls were wearing when they were taken. Seems like something he would do in private. Why isnt the aunts house and grounds searched with dogs? This means the Dovers and Birches have to place their faith ina character named after a Norse God. A god who complicates things for other gods. I am an admin of this site. How David is very Christian/Jewish/Biblical while Loki is very Norse. I expect to be returning to this site again. Compare that to Bob. Anyway just brilliant write up. holly jones prisoners. Who knows! Why did Hollys husband brag/confess to him? Holly's husband is the corpse that [] If Keller could figure it out, it was just a matter of time before Loki did too. Prisoners is about spirituality and the complicated nature we have with spirituality. The seemingly simple progress of the story is an artistic choice to create the sense of an itch you cant quite scratch, that theres more going on than you may have realized. Since her son's death, she has become a cold, deeply disturbed and depraved human being, wanting nothing but for others to feel her pain. I just finished my second viewing, I saw it a long time ago. So the beginning of Prisoners gets at themes of nature, religion, and violence. Hundreds of Oklahoma inmates left prison Monday before their original sentences were over. I also have a question. I didnt think Maria Bello was good either. I cant remember how much time passes in the movie. And on his neck, a star that probably represents some other non-Christian religion. Or the DA who brought the charges would lose their next election lol. Hi Yuen, Why does that trigger a flashback where she thinks he was there? To 247 Sports in 2016, Jones said, "I speak Chinese. Why is there snakes? Is it the content of the game? Funny enough, Dover Historian mentions in Turkey the word means to beat or hit a person. Keller Dover definitely did a lot of dovering in Prisoners.). Ends up bringing them home. After this all goes down a lot of parents get closure, the two families go home and deal with court stuff, but this family has a living ghost that haunts them 24/7. Thanks Chris for your work here! Rewatched the movie while reading this and you really nailed it. Theyre always there, at least in the background. trying to mimic where the pit is in Hollys yard (where Holly puts Keller and Keller finds the whistle). It tells the story about how Kendricks mentor, Top Dawg, robbed a fast food place that Kendricks dad worked at. The number of prisoners held in private facilities accounts 128,300 inmates US has 1,393,975 male and 111,422 female prisoners US Imprisonment Rate is 450 people per 100.000 residents, 847 for males and 64 for females The majority of the inmates - 16.3% are between 30-34 years of age So, Loki had been investigating the house that the RV was parked in front of and he found out it was once the home of a couple whose son, Barry Coyler, went missing. So while Alex not confessing what happened to Keller could seem crazy, its in-line with how Prisoners shows other victims of abduction struggling to express themselves. Thats a great question! Ill watch again with a fresh mind. Lights: Buildings usually have power broken into sections. Youd worry that hed maybe keep trying to do take kids. The little girl was abducted, and her remains were found in gym bags a day later in May 2003. In the hospital, Joy says to Keller, You were there, which Keller realizes means Hollys house and that Holly wasnt an innocent old lady. Then took them back to Holly. Its likely that since the girls probably went from the van to the hole that the scent wasnt lingering in a way the dogs would notice. That was a great analysis. How do you create a plot with supposed depth and cleverness and use so many ridiculous elements? If God caused them to loose their faith in this way, they will play God and cause others to loose their faith in this way too. Hello! I actually know the answer to this! An upstairs bathroom could lose power but the bedroom down the hall might be on a separate breaker and still have power. As for Keller going to prison I mean we would need modern examples of this type of situation. Type of Villain I read a few explanations after watching the movie and this was the best and most cohesive one! But Loki soon arrives at the scene and catches Holly before she can kill Anna. The breath. Bob Taylor survived his abduction but cant move beyond the trauma of it. I think that Jackman (whom I like) was awful, not believable; art of this may be due to the accent, as the Aussie tried to sound like a Joe Sixpack American. Sat, 21 Jun 2003. Man, I didnt even think about the carpenter thing. one question. Thats an interesting point about the zodiac signs! Look Up An Inmate Johnston County NC Jail. With the motifs in mind, we can finally get to what I think is the most interesting thing about Prisoners. But on the way back they saw the van and decided to play on it since their older siblings werent there to tell them no. Keller is free to leave but Ralph remains behind. Watching the movie for the first time, I noticed that Loki was also non-communicative at times, especially around the parents. Ill press one step furtherhow do we know Alexs old house is somewhere near the Birchs house? . The Bob Taylor detail was one I didnt include in why response. Yeah, I like the mixture of Christian and Norse. Replace the fridge with the old car. The whistle is red, the colour of blood, and life is in the blood (Lev. Will Loki put 2+2 together and save Keller? That would explain why Loki was driving so recklessly to the hospital. The body is beyond recognition, but there is a necklace of a maze. So the priest left the man tied up to die. A funny example is Kendrick Lamars 2017 album, Damn.

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